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What’s Left; What’s Right

“When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.” – J. Krishnamurti,

An interesting debate has ensued from the corners of the Liberal Conspiracy website and the BNP’s two European election successes that have led to me to question my presentation of political understanding. That is; what is left, what is right?

It is true that when talking about the BNP we (that includes me) correctly use the term far-right (ultra-nationalist, fascist and racist are also accurate). But then again, are they? Tim Montgomerie, a conservative, has written a letter to the BBC to ask them to properly reflect the BNP’s ‘true’ ideological position on the political spectrum. He argues that instead of being classed as far-right they should be considered far-left. And depending on which way you look at it and the level of your political ignorance, he could have a point. Economically the BNP are a party who believe in big state, in nationalisation, in government intervention and protectionism- traditional positions attributed to the left and socialism. (In essence, their ideology stems from Strasserist economics- that money and big companies are being controlled by the Jews, but then also remember that Karl Marx once wrote: “Money is the zealous one God of Israel, beside which no other God may stand… The God of the Jews has become secularised and is now a worldly God. The bill of exchange is the Jew’s real God. His God is the illusory bill of exchange”).

On the flipside, the left (including general liberalism) have been more open to encompass ideologies such as freedom of movement and expression, civil liberties, human rights. These are certainly not what the BNP stand for. Contrary to this we see New Labour who is considered as centre-left bringing about the destruction of civil liberties and the Tories have become the self-proclaimed vanguard of them. Is this left/right wing politics getting muddled? (Maybe the Tories are just fighting ‘big state’?).

One way of looking upon this is the humble evolution of the political compass. During the Cold War it was a case of you being left, right or centre. Now when you take a simple online quiz to find out what you are you have a Z axis, Y axis, X axis and the other one that no-one can remember the name. You still have the typical left/right wing axis, but now you also have the social axis – authoritarian and libertarian.

Perhaps this is a consequence of the troubles with Stalinism. He was supposed to be left wing, communist in fact, which places him traditionally on the far-left, but the repression he placed upon his people and even his own party members makes him extremely authoritarian. So socially links could be made between the BNP and Stalinism, but they can also begin to be made when it comes to economic policies. But if Stalin was indeed a communist (open to debate but I say no) then does that mean the BNP are?

The fact that the BNP are touted as pulling in a lot of the New Labour vote looks like it supports this idea. The left look towards the working class as the majority, they say the working classes represent the repressed majority. The BNP are directing policies towards the working classes and are also saying they are representing the repressed majority, albeit in a racist way by describing the ridiculous notion of the repressed ‘indigenous’ white majority.

Nick Griffin himself describes the BNP as being outside of left/right wing politics. They choose (sick) issues and (sick) policies that they believe in and to them they don’t fit anywhere on the spectrum.

However no-one wants to be associated with the BNP. Even though some of the centre-right are calling the BNP far-right they are much more in favour of pushing them off to the far-left like Montgomerie is trying to do. One example you can find on comment sections on blogs is by using the name ‘national socialism’ (Nazis) as an example of them being socialist (obviously the same way that the German Democratic Republic was indeed democratic…). In turn the left are pushing them to the far-right. Neither side want to be associated with them, but both sides want the other side to be. To have the BNP be on ‘your’ wing is to announce to the world that what you believe in is only a few doors away from them.

Perhaps Mr Griffin is actually right for a change. Perhaps they don’t belong on either side. Perhaps there is more to politics than left and right. Why is it that people are always classed as left/right/centre?

I personally do class myself as left wing, most things I believe in stem from the left wing ideology. I am proud of ‘belonging’ to the left. However, I don’t associate myself in anyway with New Labour, Stalinism or if they can be considered to be, the BNP- even though they are supposed to also be on the left. Perhaps what we need is this scraping of the left/right associations. The world and politics existed before left/right wing terminology was used, indeed the terminology first evolved with in France and then through Marxist ideology. It also stems from a Cold War positioning, us and them. A way to explain what is happening and what you believe. But why do things have to be so black and white? Even with the new direction political compasses’ are taking people still want to place you on either the left or right with the only alterations being ‘far-‘ and centre-‘.

Taking away these associations is not going to lead to the destruction of left/right ideology and everything in between. Instead it could lead to increased political freedom and understanding. If you are on the left and you like one specific policy from the right, you no longer need to try and ‘reclaim it for the left’. You won’t be bound by thinking ‘I can’t believe in that because it’s a right wing position and I’m on the left. In essence you can pick and choose policies that fit the world or your country best without fear of ‘selling out to the left/right’. These theoretical positions bind us down. Removing the word ‘left wing’ from my thinking is not going to mean that I don’t believe in nationalising the banks anymore, nor does it mean that I think we should tax the rich less, but what it does mean is that it takes away a mental wall that allows others in. Go round telling people you’re left wing then half the world won’t listen to you because they’re right wing, but tell people that your policies and beliefs develop to the needs and best interests of the people you serve then people are more likely to listen. As Krishnamurti said, “When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence”.

[this piece is intended for discussion, debate and evolution]

  1. June 11, 2009 at 6:25 pm | #1

    As far as I’m concerned there are coherent philosophies and incoherent philosophies.

    Any politics which depends on ideological adherence to inform policy choices at the expense of real world answers is incoherent – it was an article of faith that the Titanic couldn’t sink, yet what happened? It is the same with all dogmas, whether economic, racial, religious or whatever.

    So when evaluating politics, we should try to distinguish between the ideal and the necessary – where they overlap, if at all, you will find the correct answers. If they don’t overlap it is essential that you are clear about which course you have chosen to pursue and your reasons for doing so.

    • mattblackall
      June 12, 2009 at 10:29 pm | #2

      There should be a ‘thumbs up’ option on here like on facebook as you have summarised my point in a much better way than i ever could.

      • June 12, 2009 at 11:31 pm | #3

        Thanks. But don’t get me wrong – I’m not either an avowed ideologist or adherent of realpolitik – I prefer to find a balance between the two depending on the situation and by trying to take all factors into account. Which is why I’m a european-style liberal I guess – I enjoy the paradox that I’m dogmatically opposed to dogmatism!

        This all takes on an interesting twist when taken in conjunction with the discussion on my site – I really recommend you read John Stuart Mill before you attach yourself to firmly to one flagpole, as he makes a strong case in ‘On Socialism’ that socialism is best served by a capitalist economy (contrast with Marx who followed the materialist case that socialism was an economic system of its own, and which many would say has been disproved by the doctrinaire marxist-leninists of the twentieth century).

        As I see it the question falls on the definition of ‘capital’ as a concept which can be integrated into an open society or as a closed ‘capitalist’ system which naturally furthers its own ends, cannot be balanced and therefore must be opposed. Similarly, as a liberal, I make a clear distinction between Marx the man and the system of logic ascribed to him.

        During Marx’ lifetime he clearly felt the urgency of the conditions around him and was swayed into opposition of the extant laissez-faire capitalism, arguing for revolution rather than incremental reforms, but I don’t think that is an excuse to slavishly follow his example at this moment in time in this country when we have come so far in the intervening 150 years (remember his studies were based on the conditions of the English working classes).

        Anyway, for me it is about results – everybody needs to ask themselves ‘what changes do I want to see?’ and ‘what is the best way to achieve them?’. I’m happy to work together with anyone who shares mutual aims on specific issues, even if that means I must fight to defy categorisation (you may have noticed this).

      • mattblackall
        June 13, 2009 at 8:31 am | #4

        I do understand what you are saying and i would like to point out that although i have said i consider myself left wing, that i am a member of the Greens, it doesn’t neccessarily mean i am adherent to one ideology. The spectrum of left/right politics is a vast one, on the left you have from one extreme New Labour to the next extreme Communism and then all the different parties and ideologies in between. I know what i say will take a leftist slant, but i am not a party line kinda guy. I am a member of the Greens because they are the party that i am most akind to, but at the same time some of their more scientific policies (such as their position to stem cell research) i consider wrong and don’t agree with them at all.

        I will have a read of ‘On Socialism’- there have been many books recommended to me recently!

        And as i said in the post “but tell people that your policies and beliefs develop to the needs and best interests of the people you serve then people are more likely to listen.”, not meant in a BNP-hide-your-agenda-way, i actually think me and you are singing from the same hymm sheet here, albeit i know that my belief is a tad more leftist (and not because of the party line or ideological adherance, but because it makes more sense to me) but its not a strictly in all circumstances belief.

  2. Mujeres Desnudas Espejo
    June 30, 2009 at 11:36 pm | #5

    I should email you about this.

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